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  Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
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  it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

  if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

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  John Mann and other "spiritual" nuts
  

  "Scientism", as you call it has provided you with the ability to type messages and have anyone with internet access anywhere in the world to read it. Books can be written about all the things "scientism" makes possible for everyone to benefit from, including religious nuts. Give me something from religion that can be used as the basis to improve the material world.

  Religion can only improve the life of those who prefer fantasy over reality. I am quite Ok with that. I just wouldn't rely on those people to bring innovation to improve our lives, even keep us alive. They provide HOPE, a meaningless word in a world that requires real solutions.
  
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  Proof they are not a cult??

  by lriddle80 in

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  2. friends

  the following is from a facebook post and..maybe i am missing something, but none of these items disprove them being in a cult.

  jehovah's witnesses are often mistaken to be something else.

  some say it a secret cult while others believe something else.......i'm very proud to tell you my readers that i'm one of jehovah's witnesses.. below are 17 facts that shows jehovah's witness is not a cult..... 1. there are currently about 8 million jehovah's witnesses around the world.. 2. an average of over 800 people become jehovah's witnesses daily.. 3. we keep coming to your doors even though we have regular jobs and family like you because we are admonished to do so by jesus christ.. 4. we do not participate in wars and for this reason more than 1600 jehovah's witnesses were killed by hitler.. 5. there are currently over 300 jehovah's witnesses in prison in south korea and egypt because they refused to stop preaching or enlist in the military.. 6. we don't salute the flag or say national anthems because we pledge our allegiance only to god.. 7. yes we have fun and party too so don't get that twisted.. 8. not many of us know the name of the president of our headquarters because we do not pay any reference to him he is a fellow servant of god just like the rest of us are.. 9. you earn the privilege of becoming a jehovah's witness.

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  You forgot few other proofs:

  1. They (JW's) don't include the word "Cult" in their name
  2. They don't believe they are a cult
  3. Their magazines never has stated that they are a cult
  4. In all speeches that I have heard the speaker never called the org. a cult
  5. Parents never teach their children that they are in a cult
  6. When they preach, they never introduce themselves as members of a cult.
  7. When they get baptized they are not told that they are being introduced into a cult
  8. When they pray they never say they are in a cult.
  9. When they talk to other people, even informally, they never say they are in a cult.
  10. .....on and on

  THEY ARE NOT A CULT!! Why didn't I see it before??/
  
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  It's about progress, not perfection...

  by scratchme1010 in

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  2. experiences

  i guess at this point in time and space i'm ok if there's an indication of things going in the right direction.. my jw father, who joined the jws in 1973 when i was 8, has always had all the characteristics of the stereotypical brainwashed born again weirdo.

  as a jw he always felt the need to show that he was more devoted than the rest of the crop.

  to him, life became very easy from that point on: "the bible", interpreted by the millions of wt publications, along with the information in the meetings and getting involved in all jw activities, were the answer to everything and anything in his life".

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  Great story. It appeared too long, but I got to the end without resting one second or skipping anything. This is very unusual for me when I read stories that have more than 6 paragraphs. Thank you for the confirmation of my belief that there's many good people who do the right thing for the sake of doing good and not because they need approval or reward.
  
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  Lewis V Watchtower

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  as some may know as reported by jwsurvey in october 2014 that a lawsuit against watchtower was initiated in vermont.

  march 30, 2017 saw a resolution to this case with a summary judgment being filled in watchtower favor..

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  Richard Oliver: "I never said it was a good thing. I just presented that the case is now over."

  Good to know. Now we can rely that you will keep us informed about all child abuse cases related to the Watchtower, ruled in favor or against. Who needs apostates, we got Richard. right?
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Fish: "you are no authority here."

  And who the hell is an authority on the thoughts and will of the silence, invisible thing on a throne in the sky. If God really wanted to communicate his will in a clear matter, he wouldn't need humans. He created the universe; I guess to utter a clear simple sentence about refusal of blood transfusion is much easier than building galaxies. But he ain't doing anything. Likely, he doesn't give a shit one way or the other.
  
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  Ranting

  by FedUpJW in

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  2. experiences

  please excuse me for long-winded ranting.

  i know, as do most of us here that "love" is not something that the jdub's are known for except in their deluded, feeble minds.. i can handle their hypocrisy when it is directed at me, but when it is aimed at family who for decades have genuinely been the type of jw that the watchtower presents to the public, and when it is motivated by pure hate, then i get pissed!.

  my mother was dunked in the 1940's and my father in the 1950's.

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  Sorry about the loss of your mother. Sorry about your father discovering so late in life that he wasted so much of it serving a heartless corporation. At least you know better. Take care of your dad and keep any of his assets as far away as possible from the Watchtower's vultures.
  
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  Prison chaplain.

  by quellycatface in

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  2. friends

  i'm rather gobsmacked to hear that an elder in my ex congregation has been appointed a prison chaplain (in the uk).

  the reason for my disbelief, is that, this particular prison is for "schedule 1" offenders - covering sex crimes, child abuse/paedophilia and even downloading child pornography.

  the reason for my reaction is that he has at least 9 "disciples" who have a bible study but i cannot help but think that when they are released, they will be part of a congregation, where they will have access to children and vulnerable people?

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  Holy shit!!!
  
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  My son was accepted to prestigious universities

  by never a jw in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some background needed.

  five years ago i decided to research what i thought was a good religion, the religion of my jw wife, to whom i have been married for almost 23 years.

  what prompted my research was my then 14 y.o.

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  Thank you all. I am just glad that he never applied to Bethel.

  I am the last person who can write an objective opinion of my own son, so I will write a brief and bias summary anyways. He is a very exceptional kid. He has a good measure of brains and heart.

  I am very glad that, thanks to you, I was able to pull him out of the cult on time. It would have been a pity if more human talent is wasted supporting a real estate empire disguised as a charity.

  He hasn't decided yet whether he goes to UCLA or Berkeley, but whatever school or career he chooses, he will do very well.
  
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  My son was accepted to prestigious universities

  by never a jw in

  1. jw
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  some background needed.

  five years ago i decided to research what i thought was a good religion, the religion of my jw wife, to whom i have been married for almost 23 years.

  what prompted my research was my then 14 y.o.

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  Some background needed. Five years ago I decided to research what I thought was a good religion, the religion of my JW wife, to whom I have been married for almost 23 years. What prompted my research was my then 14 y.o. daughter asking me to get baptized. Since at that moment I still believed it was a good religion, I consented on the spot. My opinion took a 180 few days later. But thanks to you and many others who have been active since the days of Raymond Franz I was able to prevent a catastrophe. No, not my daughter. She got baptized and is still in because I couldn't "dishonor" my self by reversing my decision. However, I was able to pull out my unbaptized son out of the cult. He has put his heart and soul into school: academics, sports, traveling, and anything he had the time to get his hands on. His only regret now is that he didn't get into sports earlier. I take the blame for that, of course.

  But let's give credit where credit is due. This fine man just escaped by a narrow margin the clutches of the Watchtower thanks to you all. If anyone can offer advice regarding UCLA or U.C. Berkeley I would greatly appreciate it. We live in Los Angeles., but in the end, it will be whatever he chooses.
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  Who else is tired of attacking/defending Islam?

  by Spoletta in

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  2. current

  at this point, i think we have a good idea of everyone's opinion of islam.

  for the love of god, can we move on to something else!

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  I am not tired yet. In fact, I haven't even started.